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AineteEkaterini wrote:

Kuk91 wrote:... I think it is pre-"Stories" time.

It's got to be - from her New York sojourn. That seems to have been when Teledubgnosis were getting going.

On the other hand, why does she sings about being 35 then? She has a song "30" from this period.

AineteEkaterini wrote:LIFE ON MARS

This is a time for silence
This is a time for men...

I think it might be a peculiar way of pronouncing "me".

AineteEkaterini wrote:I’m caught in the telephones
And I’m caught in cars

I think it's "We caught in the telephones".

And also this:

Kuk91 wrote:I'm hearing:

"I look back through centuries
I flashback to our ancient peace
the Truth as close, my friend
And looks nothing like this"

the tweet says 20 years, so it could be 1997 ca. a relatively less fertile period, maybe she was experimenting...
All this is Mine
Zaz turned blue
When will I see you again

it reminds me of those songs, also Perfect day Elise in Life on Mars,
No girl so sweet and A girl like me

Kuk91 wrote:On the other hand, why does she sings about being 35 then? She has a song "30" from this period.

Because she's not speaking as herself, I suppose.

Kuk91 wrote:I think it might be a peculiar way of pronouncing "me".

I did wonder. I rejected that because of the apparent rhyme with 'millennium', and her ghost vocal seems more like 'men' than 'me', but 'me' makes more sense, and again, now you mention it, I can't hear that final 'n' anymore!

Kuk91 wrote:I think it's "We caught in the telephones"

Or 'we're', in fact.

must be pre Is This Desire? time

p.s.: also Idea of you is similar to The Wind, as performed live

Black Hearted Love wrote:must be pre Is This Desire? time

I think that since releaser on SoundCloud hadn't pointed out the exact date of recording, that means he doesn't knows it for sure himself, hence his "over twenty years" might be considered as a supposition (i.e. his opinion, worthy relatively the same as any of ours).

I've asked him, hope for a significant reply

edit: ok, no

@PeteOlshansky
No idea! just excited to hear it!

AineteEkaterini wrote:The future could be up there
On another plane
The future could be under
My friend’s skin

Now I'm starting to think it might be "under my brand new skin".

Black Hearted Love wrote:I've asked him, hope for a significant reply

edit: ok, no

@PeteOlshansky
No idea! just excited to hear it!

You've asked the guy who accidentally found it and posted on Twitter, but really we should ask the guy behind this SoundCloud account: https://soundcloud.com/tikited23.
And I already did that on Facebook. [waiting for the answer.]

Kuk91 wrote:

AineteEkaterini wrote:The future could be up there
On another plane
The future could be under
My friend’s skin

Now I'm starting to think it might be "under my brand new skin".

Hmm, I'm not convinced either that or my (slightly nonsensical) 'friend's' is right. I might come back to it after a couple of days and see whether it sounds different.

As to when these tracks were recorded, yes, I assumed originally that Mr Olshansky knew something about it, before realising that he's just stumbled across the Soundcloud release in the way any of us could have done, so his reference to 'twenty years' is just a guess. Everything that we can pin down - when Teledubgnosis got going, the BMI song list, the style - points to 1998-2000, it seems to me. Assuming the tracks were all recorded together, the re-use of the lyrics of 'Eyes' for 'A Girl like Me' in 2003 gives a terminus ante quem: they can't be later than that.

Finally, if Polly did make an explicit statement about her 'relationship status' in that line about being single at 35 I will give up any pretence at understanding anything about her, and eat some sort of headgear!

AineteEkaterini wrote:...I assumed originally that Mr Olshansky knew something about it, before realising that he's just stumbled across the Soundcloud release in the way any of us could have done, so his reference to 'twenty years' is just a guess. <...>

"Over 20 years" is the comment from SoundCloud uploader, not the Twitter guy.

Kuk91 wrote:"Over 20 years" is the comment from SoundCloud uploader ...

So it is! Which is worth something as he was the drummer, it seems, but I still can't believe the music is earlier than 1997. Artistic licence, perhaps.

I now reckon the 'flashback' line is 'I flash back to ancient Greece' - see what you think, Kuk. 'Our ancient peace' is probably a better lyric, but there you go. And if you're right about 'men' actually being 'me' (and I think you are), the final phrase could be 'in me' rather than 'Amen'.

AineteEkaterini wrote:...as he was the drummer <...>

Oops, I hadn't realised he was this band's drummer. But I also asked him about exact date, and why it's in mono, so maybe he'll answer.

AineteEkaterini wrote:I now reckon the 'flashback' line is 'I flash back to ancient Greece' - see what you think, Kuk.

Honestly, I don't know.

The tracks seem to have been removed now. Not a surprise, I suppose.

Hi, all. Did anyone manage to snag these? I didn't get a chance to hear them