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Author: | Me Jane [ Thu Aug 17, 2017 11:38 am ] |
Post subject: | TELEDUBGNOSIS WITH PJHARVEY EP · 2017 |
I found this on twitter https://twitter.com/PeteOlshansky/statu ... 0905873408 |
Author: | AineteEkaterini [ Thu Aug 17, 2017 12:09 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: TELEDUBGNOSIS WITH PJHARVEY EP · 2017 |
Blimey charley. It's there in the lists: http://thegardenforum.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2047&p=19186&hilit=mars#p19186. Where on earth did this come from? And who's going to ask? PS., I neglected to say, well done for finding it. I'm just boggling a bit. This is difficult to untangle. Without the 'Teledubgnosis' tag you'd probably ascribe it to the Is This Desire period or, given the Millennium reference in the lyrics, to the pieces linked to The Book of Life. The orchestration certainly sounds like the 'ambient metal' favoured by Teledubgnosis, and they were certainly producing music in 2000 (see herehttps://wirerecordings.bandcamp.com/album/teledubgnosis-unreleased-1st-ep), so it's possible PJH could have got together with them in New York over 1998-9. Too many questions! Dr Dark, does the BMI listing give any clue when the song was written? |
Author: | Kuk91 [ Thu Aug 17, 2017 3:50 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: TELEDUBGNOSIS WITH PJHARVEY EP · 2017 |
Last of these tracks could be considered an early version of "A Girl Like Me" from "Desert Sessions". On a side note, I'm not a fan of such a messy sound, and can totally see why it wasn't officially released. |
Author: | DrDark [ Thu Aug 17, 2017 4:24 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: TELEDUBGNOSIS WITH PJHARVEY EP · 2017 |
"Life on Mars" is in both the BMI and ASCAP lists. Its numeric order in the BMI list would appear to put it somewhere near the Stories era songwriting: 182 SLOW DRUG 4575274 218 WAR 4575384 2 30 4579595 89 I 4799382 148 ONE LINE 4807493 191 STONED 4815792 194 SUPERHUMAN 4815800 201 THINGS I AM NOT ALLOWED TO DO 4822188 221 WATER IN THE WEB 4825297 10 ANYWHERE BUT HERE 4930452 56 EYES 4995772 109 LIFE ON MARS 4997673 91 IDEA OF YOU 5001507 204 THIS MESS WE RE IN 5001866 114 LONELY PLACE 5045977 153 PAIR OF WINGS 5046024 18 BIG EXIT 5051228 68 GOOD FORTUNE 5054266 Its numeric position in the ASCAP list is less clear: 52 LIFE AND DEATH OF MR. BADMOUTH, THE 421091830 51 LIES 421128694 53 LIFE ON MARS 421128710 54 LIKE THE GUN 421128738 55 LITTLE MAN 421128756 56 LIVERPOOL TIDE 421128774 57 LONELY PLACE, A 421128792 63 MYSTERY OF LOVE, THE 431242292 62 MY FRIENDS HAVE 431242318 59 MAGNIFICENT RAY, THE 431280894 61 MEETING, THE 431280910 66 NO CHILD OF MINE 440660279 However notice that the ASCAP list is still alphabetic so I suspect it was created from the BMI list at some point and thus its numeric sorted version isn't a good indicator of when it was written. I believe she registered with BMI first. I remember thinking it was interesting that she would choose to name a song of hers the same as a famous David Bowie song. Are there 3 different songs there (Life on Mars, "# 3" and "1"), with different lyrics? Maybe someone can attempt a transcription of the lyrics (tough with all the 'noise'). |
Author: | Amnesiac [ Thu Aug 17, 2017 5:18 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: TELEDUBGNOSIS WITH PJHARVEY EP · 2017 |
56 EYES 4995772 --> 1 109 LIFE ON MARS 4997673 --> Life on Mars 91 IDEA OF YOU 5001507 --> #3 |
Author: | AineteEkaterini [ Thu Aug 17, 2017 5:21 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: TELEDUBGNOSIS WITH PJHARVEY EP · 2017 |
DrDark wrote: Are there 3 different songs there (Life on Mars, "# 3" and "1"), with different lyrics? I've only just realised there are! How stupid of me. DrDark wrote: Maybe someone can attempt a transcription of the lyrics (tough with all the 'noise'). I can have a go - though it may not be quick, life is interfering with art at the moment. I quite like noise : ) |
Author: | Kuk91 [ Thu Aug 17, 2017 5:31 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: TELEDUBGNOSIS WITH PJHARVEY EP · 2017 |
Amnesiac wrote: 56 EYES 4995772 --> 1 109 LIFE ON MARS 4997673 --> Life on Mars 91 IDEA OF YOU 5001507 --> #3 Smart! So, "Eyes" has a lot of similarities to "A Girl Like Me" in the lyrics. |
Author: | AineteEkaterini [ Thu Aug 17, 2017 6:59 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: TELEDUBGNOSIS WITH PJHARVEY EP · 2017 |
Amnesiac wrote: 56 EYES 4995772 --> 1 109 LIFE ON MARS 4997673 --> Life on Mars 91 IDEA OF YOU 5001507 --> #3 Yes, that's exactly what they are! This is quite something, I think. |
Author: | Amnesiac [ Thu Aug 17, 2017 7:21 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: TELEDUBGNOSIS WITH PJHARVEY EP · 2017 |
Teledubgnosis Life On Mars W PJ Harvey.MP3_338142315 - RHYTHM ATTACK MOVES.mp3 Teledubgnosis With PJ Harvey # 3.MP3_338142312 - RHYTHM ATTACK MOVES.mp3 Teledubgnosis With PJ Harvey 1.MP3_338142311 - RHYTHM ATTACK MOVES.mp3 |
Author: | AineteEkaterini [ Fri Aug 18, 2017 6:29 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: TELEDUBGNOSIS WITH PJHARVEY EP · 2017 |
In fact this wasn’t as time-consuming as I thought. Most of the lyrics are clear and there are only a couple of places where I can’t work them out (I think). ‘Eyes’ is fascinating because as Kuk points out, the best lines were re-used in ‘A Girl Like Me’, a far superior piece. It’s an insight into how Polly works: we knew that there were preliminary versions of songs that were later worked into something else, but I don’t think we’ve ever had an example before (I wonder what she makes of this, if she knows? Interesting for us, but perhaps not welcome for her). EYES Her eyes Her violent, magnificent eyes He told me the story How he could never forget those eyes Between skin and the night [?] The hours when crimes of passion are committed Into the morning light Talking, confessing, He and I, talking of this girl who had changed his life “A girl, her name was Lola, She’s changed my life, she took my heart from me” And now I can’t forget her – Or his stories of – and the image of - and of her eyes [?] Trying to tie the threads of failed romance, They made love in silence, And I thought of her eyes, her magnificent eyes, Just thought of her eyes, her magnificent eyes, Of her lying there in the morning light – I might never leave this room again, Now we have shared – I’ll just remain in this cold air This cold air is killing me I thought of her eyes, just thought of her eyes She’s lying there in your arms IDEA OF YOU It’s not you any more, it’s just my idea of you (x 4) If I could find somebody else to love me as fiercely I would not hear your voice saying, ‘Come quickly’ And I would not run, pulled like a magnet To be with you again To take you on again (x 7) It’s not you any more, it’s just my idea of you (x 4) If I could find somebody else to love me completely To be my angel of light among so many enemies I would not hear your voice say ‘Come to me’ To take you on again (x 7) LIFE ON MARS This is a time for silence This is a time for men Welcome my friends To the new millennium I’m caught in the telephones And I’m caught in cars Caught in computers And underneath the stars Under my skin Gets under my skin I look back through centuries I flashback to [a -------------ries] Truth I have to face my friend Looks nothing like this The future could be up there On another plane The future could be under My friend’s skin Under my skin Gets under my skin (x 4) A time for silence This is a time for men And at thirty-five I’m single again I think I’ve found the answer For our troubled past I think I’ve found the answer Is life on Mars (x 4) Amen Unsurprisingly it’s ‘Life on Mars’ which causes the most trouble. I can’t work out the two or more words after ‘I flashback to’; my first guess was ‘alien’ something, but the more I listen the less sure I am. As well as the generally muddy sound, PJ sings some words very peculiarly, pronouncing what is clearly ‘friend’ almost as two syllables, ‘freh-ohn’. That makes it hard to be quite sure about the word which seems to be ‘men’, pronounced in the same way. That very last word I think is ‘Amen’ with ‘A’ as in ‘gate’. I'm already very fond of ‘Life on Mars’ - it's just a shame that it's a muffled mono recording. It reminds me of the album version of 'Joy', which I know not everyone warms to. |
Author: | Kuk91 [ Fri Aug 18, 2017 7:07 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: TELEDUBGNOSIS WITH PJHARVEY EP · 2017 |
AineteEkaterini wrote: LIFE ON MARS <...> I look back through centuries I flashback to [a -------------ries] Maybe it's "ancient peace"? On a side note, I think "Joy" is SO much more powerful. I mean this song sounds like a very simple pop to me, whereas an album version of "Joy" is a dark electronic hardcore with tremendous vocals, one of my favourite songs ever. |
Author: | AineteEkaterini [ Fri Aug 18, 2017 7:20 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: TELEDUBGNOSIS WITH PJHARVEY EP · 2017 |
Kuk91 wrote: Maybe it's "ancient peace"? Yes! I thought I heard an 'r', but 'ancient peace' even makes sense! Of course once you suggest those words I can hear them very clearly. Quote: On a side note, I think "Joy" is SO much more powerful. I mean this song sounds like a very simple pop to me, whereas an album version of "Joy" is a dark electronic hardcore with tremendous vocals, one of my favourite songs ever. Glad you feel that way about it, too. Yes, unsurprisingly 'Joy' is the stronger, but I think this is musically interesting too (the other two tracks are comparatively slight pieces, to my thinking, though interesting just for the fact they exist). |
Author: | Kuk91 [ Fri Aug 18, 2017 7:27 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: TELEDUBGNOSIS WITH PJHARVEY EP · 2017 |
Glad to be of help! Don't know why, but the overall FEEL of her vocals on "Life on Mars" reminds me "This Wicked Tongue", so I think it is pre-"Stories" time. |
Author: | Kuk91 [ Fri Aug 18, 2017 8:04 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: TELEDUBGNOSIS WITH PJHARVEY EP · 2017 |
I'm hearing: "I look back through centuries I flashback to our ancient peace the Truth as close, my friend And looks nothing like this" |
Author: | AineteEkaterini [ Fri Aug 18, 2017 8:08 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: TELEDUBGNOSIS WITH PJHARVEY EP · 2017 |
Kuk91 wrote: ... I think it is pre-"Stories" time. It's got to be - from her New York sojourn. That seems to have been when Teledubgnosis were getting going. |
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